Editing Talk:Resource-Based Economic Model

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== General notes ==
I will read this more carefully at some point and find a place to insert a section for core fundamentals of an RBE.
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: When adding a new section, please ensure it is not redundant, and that it is properly documented. Alternatively, as it will be standard in this wiki, add your personal interpretation of an RBE (or disagreement with that stated in the RBE page) in your own personal page. This will enable, when there are enough of such pages, to make an analysis of where people generally coincide, and where there are varying opinions. [[User:Ziggy|veganforvenus]] ([[User talk:Ziggy|talk]]) 10:29, 14 November 2012 (EST)

== RBE Social values ==
=== Autonomy: Individualism vs Collectivism ===
The first one that springs to mind is the respect and valuing of individual autonomy, which differentiates an RBE from socialism which is collectivist.
An RBE isn't really an RBE if it doesn't respect the freedom of the individual. This is very important, as any system, however well planned and intentioned, always turns fascist when it doesn't value the autonomy and sovereignty of individual human beings.

: Is this your interpretation? Can you back this information with relevant sources? Relevant sources are very important in this wiki; RBE is prone to interpretation and it must be very clear when definitions come from personal interpretation or from documented sources (ideally surveys!). [[User:Ziggy|veganforvenus]] ([[User talk:Ziggy|talk]])

: I definitely share the anonymously stated '''OPINION''' above (all of it depending on what you exactly understand by ''fascist''), which is why I started [[Degree of Openness of RBEM Projects|a page]] that discusses these issues. At the moment I see no chance to participate in a project that takes away this individual autonomy. Facts might change my mind, although I strongly '''BELIEVE''' there are no facts that could do this. However, also the other contributors / planners / participants / supporters / ... highly value empirical data, and I hope a detailed discussion of the matter plus [[Degree of Openness of RBEM Projects#Empirical Evaluation|surveys]] will enable my participation, if there are no other obstacles. Feel free to suggest a different title, place or structure of the discussion. All current rules and definitions (including the name of the project, the exact goals, any numbers stated, and the agreements for participants) are subject to change, as I understand from documented discussion and personal communication with other contributors. [[User:Andreas|Andreas]]

== RBE core elements ==
=== Abundance ===
The second is that an RBE isn't an RBE without economics predominantly based on '''abundance'''. As an RBE is about catering to the interests of the whole of humanity, rather than the interests of a select few. This is an element an RBE shares with socialism. But it's a case of collective good by way of individual freedom, rather than trying to reach an ideal of collective good and forcing it on the collective, which is ultimately therefore not in the interest of the collective anyway, because the collective is made up of individuals.
: Abundance is a topic that involves many factors and is prone to interpretation, it deserves its own page. [[User:Ziggy|veganforvenus]] ([[User talk:Ziggy|talk]])

The term "Resource Based Economy" is based on the assumption that resources are for the most part abundant. So in order to be more clear, one could use the term "Abundant Resources Based Economy", or "Abundant Resources Based Economics".
: All add your proposal to the list of alternative names for RBE (as there have been many complaints that RBE is too vague a name, and often prone to misinterpretation). [[User:Ziggy|veganforvenus]] ([[User talk:Ziggy|talk]])

Some good videos on the topic of abundance in economics, explaining what it is, and why it's important:
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc&noredirect=1
* http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_diamandis_abundance_is_our_future.html
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSzqMLA670
* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2xJ1CnVfsk&NR=1&feature=endscreen
* And here's David Suzuki describing how conventional economics is divorced from the wholistic interests of the worlds people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se55CCdfaOA

== RBE by Jacque Fresco ==
The RBE explained by Jacque Fresco is clear and easy in the official web (http://thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project/resource-based-economy) and it is very different as the RBEModel explained here. please references and sources must be respected.
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:I disagree, I can't find any differences. Please explain. [[User:Wouter.drucker|wouter.drucker]] ([[User talk:Wouter.drucker|talk]]) 21:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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 : Is this your interpretation? Can you back this information with relevant sources? Relevant sources are very important in this wiki; RBE is prone to interpretation and it must be very clear when definitions come from personal interpretation or from documented sources (ideally surveys!). [[User:Ziggy|veganforvenus]] ([[User talk:Ziggy|talk]])
-: I definitely share the anonymously stated '''OPINION''' above (all of it depending on what you exactly understand by ''fascist''), which is why I started [[RBEM/Strategies for integration with the monetary market|a page]] that discusses these issues. At the moment I see no chance to participate in a project that takes away this individual autonomy. Facts might change my mind, although I strongly '''BELIEVE''' there are no facts that could do this. However, also the other contributors / planners / participants / supporters / ... highly value empirical data, and I hope a detailed discussion of the matter plus [[RBEM/Strategies for integration with the monetary market#Empirical Evaluation|surveys]] will enable my participation, if there are no other obstacles. Feel free to suggest a different title, place or structure of the discussion. All current rules and definitions (including the name of the project, the exact goals, any numbers stated, and the agreements for participants) are subject to change, as I understand from documented discussion and personal communication with other contributors. [[User:Andreas|Andreas]]
+: I definitely share the anonymously stated '''OPINION''' above (all of it depending on what you exactly understand by ''fascist''), which is why I started [[Degree of Openness of RBEM Projects|a page]] that discusses these issues. At the moment I see no chance to participate in a project that takes away this individual autonomy. Facts might change my mind, although I strongly '''BELIEVE''' there are no facts that could do this. However, also the other contributors / planners / participants / supporters / ... highly value empirical data, and I hope a detailed discussion of the matter plus [[Degree of Openness of RBEM Projects#Empirical Evaluation|surveys]] will enable my participation, if there are no other obstacles. Feel free to suggest a different title, place or structure of the discussion. All current rules and definitions (including the name of the project, the exact goals, any numbers stated, and the agreements for participants) are subject to change, as I understand from documented discussion and personal communication with other contributors. [[User:Andreas|Andreas]]
 == RBE core elements ==
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 :I disagree, I can't find any differences. Please explain. [[User:Wouter.drucker|wouter.drucker]] ([[User talk:Wouter.drucker|talk]]) 21:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
-== Critique by John Bassist (Prometheuspan) ==
-[[User:Prometheuspan|John Bassist]] considers that there are three issues with an RBEM:
-* ''RBE Redefined'': http://egrouphub.com/wiki/index.php/RBE_Redefined
-* ''RBE Theory'': http://egrouphub.com/wiki/index.php/(RBE)_theory
-* ''RBE Fatal Errors'': http://egrouphub.com/wiki/index.php/RBE_Fatal_ERRORS