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| − | + | == Proposal for beginning the IMAR development straight away == | |
| + | === Alexander, 30 July 2013 === | ||
| + | Hi there! First of all i want to say that i am not a software developer and my english is rather poor. But i studied social science in university and i am interested in social aspects of the current project. As i see there no progress in developing of IMAR, more of that there is no discussion on the topic. As i said, i am not a developer, but i want to give an impulse to work out the problem. | ||
I dont think that for developing a software we need to know EXACT number and variety of human needs. We know general needs, as they are described in this wiki, also we know that we should have connection between supply and demand, connection of "enterprises" and distribution points and so on. So, i think if somebody here CAN make a code, we should start. OR NOT. | I dont think that for developing a software we need to know EXACT number and variety of human needs. We know general needs, as they are described in this wiki, also we know that we should have connection between supply and demand, connection of "enterprises" and distribution points and so on. So, i think if somebody here CAN make a code, we should start. OR NOT. | ||
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I don't no if if it real, i think before starting to develop the soft and even before making a requirements specification, we should make clear some points. | I don't no if if it real, i think before starting to develop the soft and even before making a requirements specification, we should make clear some points. | ||
| − | ''' | + | # '''What we are going to produce?''' |
| − | - | + | ## What we have to get from outside? E.g. food, clothes, etc, or from the outside medicine or complicated products |
| − | - | + | ## How? |
| − | + | # What will be a type of enterprises? E.g. gardens, fablabs, etc If production will be complex, we shuld think of management type and social roles (cause i don't think that fordist management type suits RBE philopshy) | |
| + | ## create a list of needed buyings to start a building of dwellings and enterprises | ||
| + | # '''Labour force'''. As probably we cant choose people by concrete occupation (profession) there at least must be people capable to train people. Maybe we should gather some books, lections etc and ask possible settlers to self-study. | ||
| + | ## Will be there a DUTY to work? For example in monetary economic, u dont work - u don't eat. I understand that settlers will be self-motivated persons, but we should think of possible problems. For example one man is comfortable to work all day, one will think that 4 hours is ok. Should there be DISCIPLINE? If yes... then what kind of it? | ||
| + | # '''amortization'''. If there will be no income, how we can make amortization? '''THEN''' If we will decide that we NEED special software for IMAR, there are two ways: | ||
| + | ## Make soft ourselves (probably it will be reasonable to start a side project fot croudsourced IMAR (that can be interesting for different communities) soft to get more support) | ||
| + | ## Use existing systems of ERP software (OpenERP etc). | ||
| − | + | Thats for beginning | |
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| − | ''' | + | === Ziggy, 31 July 2013 === |
| + | Hi! I don't want to dictate how things "must" be done, this is a horizontal project and anyone is welcome to contribute with whatever they want. IMAR, however, is an idea that I've come up with, with specific purposes. It would only be implemented if it happens to be the most efficient alternative (hopefully there will be others, so that we don't rely on making a decision or doing things my way). I'm happy to be swayed based on consistent arguments or ideas, as IMAR is a very broad draft and there is a lot of room for improvement in its basic idea. | ||
| − | + | I've included a more [[Team:IMAR#General description|detailed description]] of what is IMAR intended for, trying to address all of Alexander's concerns about it. I didn't understand the "amortisation" thing. Can you explain it further? | |
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Latest revision as of 02:28, 31 July 2013
[edit] Proposal for beginning the IMAR development straight away
[edit] Alexander, 30 July 2013
Hi there! First of all i want to say that i am not a software developer and my english is rather poor. But i studied social science in university and i am interested in social aspects of the current project. As i see there no progress in developing of IMAR, more of that there is no discussion on the topic. As i said, i am not a developer, but i want to give an impulse to work out the problem.
I dont think that for developing a software we need to know EXACT number and variety of human needs. We know general needs, as they are described in this wiki, also we know that we should have connection between supply and demand, connection of "enterprises" and distribution points and so on. So, i think if somebody here CAN make a code, we should start. OR NOT.
If to imagine that in other aspects RBE10K will pass as planned, but the IMAR won't be ready yet, i think we just can try to use the same instruments for production management. If production in a settlement will be rather simple, i think it is possible. For example to use Excel (Libre Office Calc etc) sheets for gathering information, bettermeans or even wiki for long-term coordination and Skype, jabber for instant coordination.
I don't no if if it real, i think before starting to develop the soft and even before making a requirements specification, we should make clear some points.
- What we are going to produce?
- What we have to get from outside? E.g. food, clothes, etc, or from the outside medicine or complicated products
- How?
- What will be a type of enterprises? E.g. gardens, fablabs, etc If production will be complex, we shuld think of management type and social roles (cause i don't think that fordist management type suits RBE philopshy)
- create a list of needed buyings to start a building of dwellings and enterprises
- Labour force. As probably we cant choose people by concrete occupation (profession) there at least must be people capable to train people. Maybe we should gather some books, lections etc and ask possible settlers to self-study.
- Will be there a DUTY to work? For example in monetary economic, u dont work - u don't eat. I understand that settlers will be self-motivated persons, but we should think of possible problems. For example one man is comfortable to work all day, one will think that 4 hours is ok. Should there be DISCIPLINE? If yes... then what kind of it?
- amortization. If there will be no income, how we can make amortization? THEN If we will decide that we NEED special software for IMAR, there are two ways:
- Make soft ourselves (probably it will be reasonable to start a side project fot croudsourced IMAR (that can be interesting for different communities) soft to get more support)
- Use existing systems of ERP software (OpenERP etc).
Thats for beginning
[edit] Ziggy, 31 July 2013
Hi! I don't want to dictate how things "must" be done, this is a horizontal project and anyone is welcome to contribute with whatever they want. IMAR, however, is an idea that I've come up with, with specific purposes. It would only be implemented if it happens to be the most efficient alternative (hopefully there will be others, so that we don't rely on making a decision or doing things my way). I'm happy to be swayed based on consistent arguments or ideas, as IMAR is a very broad draft and there is a lot of room for improvement in its basic idea.
I've included a more detailed description of what is IMAR intended for, trying to address all of Alexander's concerns about it. I didn't understand the "amortisation" thing. Can you explain it further?
